That looks expensive. 

"ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn) 05/14/2018 at 10:22 • Filed to: planelopnik

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Turkish Airbus stopped short of its slot and left its butt hanging out in the taxiway. Still, I wonder why the Asiana 777 driver didn’t notice it.

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GTI Sprinks > ttyymmnn 05/14/2018 at 10:30

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Both of the baggage handlers just watching makes this perfect.

ttyymmnn > GTI Sprinks 05/14/2018 at 10:34

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I think the Turkish Airbus had arrived and was waiting to park. Not sure why he stopped with his ass hanging out, though.

facw > ttyymmnn 05/14/2018 at 10:34

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Seems like wingtip camera might have been more useful in avoiding this? Or maybe one of those 360 dealies, which would have let either plane see their mistake (I’m assuming the Turkish plane didn’t pull in far enough as opposed to some tug pushing them into the taxiway and then just leaving).

ttyymmnn > facw 05/14/2018 at 10:36

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Yeah, Turkish was arriving and stopped for some reason with his ass hanging out. I know the Asiana pilot should expect the way to be clear, but you’d think he would have noticed the Airbus as he drove past. Then again, Asiana.

Mercedes Streeter > ttyymmnn 05/14/2018 at 10:44

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Like Air Canada, but they follow through with their bad decisions!

user314 > ttyymmnn 05/14/2018 at 10:53

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So do the captains have to get out and exchange insurance info? :lol:

OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars > GTI Sprinks 05/14/2018 at 11:12

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They just watched it like it was nothing.

someassemblyrequired > ttyymmnn 05/14/2018 at 11:16

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I can’t believe it knocked the tail over though, figured it would have spun the A320 before the tail let go.

ttyymmnn > someassemblyrequired 05/14/2018 at 11:17

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Full of the sound of the Gran Fury, signifying nothing. > ttyymmnn 05/14/2018 at 11:23

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I’ve spent enough time on the ramp to know that even if the wing walkers give instructions to stop, the pushback driver is rarely paying attention to them and stupid stuff like this happens all too often. The other problem is that wing walkers don’t position themselves to have line-of-sight views to the pushback driver, usually blocked by engines thus negating the point of them being there in the first place...

GTI Sprinks > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars 05/14/2018 at 11:24

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I mean, they knew they couldn’t do nothing at that point. Seems unlikely they’d have comms to the pilot.

ttyymmnn > Full of the sound of the Gran Fury, signifying nothing. 05/14/2018 at 11:27

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No wing walkers in the video, though. I think he was waiting to park, but inexplicably stopped with his ass hanging out. I should change my description. I guess that the 777 driver is assuming that, since he’s in his dedicated space, then he has clearance. But that only works if everybody else is doing the right thing, too. You’d think they would have noticed the Airbus sticking out, though.

OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars > GTI Sprinks 05/14/2018 at 11:28

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It was more of how they watched it like nothing was happening, not the entire tail of the plane getting ripped off.

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > ttyymmnn 05/14/2018 at 11:55

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I see this and I’m like thank god nobody got hurt, then think to myself. Well that departure got delay forever.

Why did Constantinople get the works?
That’s nobody’s business but the Turks.

LastFirstMI is my name > ttyymmnn 05/14/2018 at 12:09

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Watch the guy in the bottom left. Hanging out, and then after the collision walks over with a “whoa stop” signal. Thanks dude, that was helpful!

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > ttyymmnn 05/14/2018 at 12:19

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Is that a spray of hydraulic fluid at the end? (From the Department of Oops)

ttyymmnn > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 05/14/2018 at 12:19

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That’s a good guess, but I have no idea.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > ttyymmnn 05/14/2018 at 12:22

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When the Air Force is taxiing, you’ll see backseaters peering eagerly out the windows behind the pilot/FO, looking back at the wingtips, in case there should be something that gets in the way.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > ttyymmnn 05/14/2018 at 12:23

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I’d put it on the big plane’s captain.

ttyymmnn > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 05/14/2018 at 12:28

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Remember it was an Asiana 777 that crashed at SFO because the pilot couldn’t shoot the approach manually.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > ttyymmnn 05/14/2018 at 12:32

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I read some detail on that and my recollection is that they were not clear on how to operate the aeroplane. Apparently, doing so requires a degree of skill and some practice.

facw > ttyymmnn 05/14/2018 at 12:57

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That’s still so astounding to me. How to you get to fly a 777 without actually knowing how to fly a plane? Sounds like they didn’t even really understand how the autopilot worked.

facw > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 05/14/2018 at 13:01

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Turkish probably at least had another narrowbody they could use in short order. The Asiana plane presumably isn’t safe to fly either, and probably required them to fly another aircraft all the way across the continent to get those people home (assuming they had a spare widebody ready to go in the first place).

Also inconveniently, they probably had to close that taxiway to clean up the spilled fluid and any debris before they could let any planes go through there, which also might have trapped other planes at their gates.

ttyymmnn > facw 05/14/2018 at 13:03

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They were definitely chasing the airplane. Thing is, commercial av in Asia is growing so fast they’ll take just about anybody. Many Asian pilots are training in the US, but they don’t come up from a culture of GA like they do in the US or Europe. It’s sort of like somebody from China, who has only ever ridden a bicycle in their life, coming to the US and getting a driver license. America is a car culture, and our kids, by and large, grow up in and around cars. So there is already cultural understanding and years of observation when they get their license.

You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much > ttyymmnn 05/14/2018 at 14:49

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The Turkish Airlines plane can’t pull up to the gate without a marshaller there to direct him unless there is an automated parking system. If there wasn’t someone to direct him in or a functional automated system that pilot can’t move his plane in to the gate. The accident is entirely on the Asiana pilot.

ttyymmnn > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much 05/14/2018 at 14:52

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Good to know. Thanks.

coqui70 > ttyymmnn 05/14/2018 at 21:03

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First officer tried to tell the captain but got told to be quiet. Then came the cartwheel. I remember flying into SFO a few day after ... the 777 carcass was still visible.

ttyymmnn > coqui70 05/14/2018 at 22:36

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So much for CRM.

coqui70 > ttyymmnn 05/14/2018 at 22:42

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But thank goodness for Boeing over-engineering. That thing tumbled yet remained mostly intact.

pip bip - choose Corrour > ttyymmnn 05/15/2018 at 08:34

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whoops!